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【中英双语】欧洲人离开父母家独立的平均年龄

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Average age at which Europeans leave their parents' home

欧洲人离开父母家独立的平均年龄

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【欧洲网民评论翻译】:

drejc88
Sweden瑞典
In Montenegro, the parents leave you.

在黑山,是父母离开了你。



Malleus--Maleficarum
I am not from Montenegro, but in case of some of my friends that was actually true - their parents were fed up with waiting and bought new homes/apartments and moved out.

我不是来自黑山,但这个对于我的一些朋友来说是真的--他们的父母厌倦了等待,买了新的房子/公寓,然后搬走了。



MainBattleStation
Finland芬兰
This made me chuckle

这让我笑了



bkhablenko
Україна乌克兰
Somehow I didn't get the joke. Could you explain, please?

不懂,笑点何在?能解释一下吗?



Ingvarhk
Denmark丹麦
They die

他们死了



Johnlsullivan2
I think that's why Bosnia doesn't have any data as well.

我想这就是为什么波斯尼亚也没有任何数据。



throwawayy2k2112
This entire thread took a dark turn damn

这让整个帖子的气氛都变昏暗了淦



husored
In Bosnia as well my uncle was like 38 until he left home

在波斯尼亚,我叔叔在离家之前也是38岁



epic225
As a Montenegrin in the USA I’m surprised this is the top comment

作为一个在美国的黑山人,我很惊讶这是点赞最高的评论



weeanima
Well we in Montenegro really never leave our parents because
To get a new house/flat is not really cheap for young people with our sallary rates. If you really need to leave then you will just rent it for temporary solution. 2.We mostly live in houses so young married couple can get one floor for them.
Most of the young people that do leave their home don't change their permanent adress
We actually never leave our parents as we don't usually put them in nursing homes, we live with them so we can care about them

怎么说呢,我们在黑山真的从不离开我们的父母,因为
1.买一套新房子/公寓对年轻人来说并不便宜,我们的薪水很低。如果你真的需要离开,那么你只能租房子作为暂时的解决方法。2. 我们大多住在一幢房子里,这样年轻的已婚夫妇就可以有着自己的一层楼。
3.大多数离开家的年轻人不会改变他们的永久地址
事实上,我们从不离开父母,因为我们通常不把他们送进养老院,我们和他们一起生活,这样我们就可以关心照顾他们



skeletal88
Estonia爱沙尼亚
This reminds us that "My parents want to kick me out at 18" and "I have to pay rent to my parents for living at home" are some of the "I'm too european to understand this problem" that we can read about here on reddit, on the subreddits where americans post.

这提醒我们,“我父母想在18岁时把我赶出去”和“我必须付房租给我父母住在家里”是一些我们可以在美国人发在Reddit这个板块里的帖子读到的那些“我太欧洲了,以至于无法理解你们”的问题。



upewigungedeelt
Schleswig-Holstein (Germany)石勒苏益格-荷尔斯泰因(德国)
Hezth
In Sweden it is until you are 18 or until you finish primary studies(12th grade/high school). The young age for Sweden in the chart might be because of those that move to another city to study from 10th grade.

在瑞典,直到你18岁或完成初级学业(12年级/高中)才能搬出去。在图表中,瑞典的年龄低于这个可能是因为那些从十年级就搬到另一个城市学习的人。



MaveInfinite
After reading how the government in EU countries looks out for It’s citizens, it’s like, how can USA call itself the world’s greatest country? Our government hates us. We are in last place in almost everything.

在阅读了欧盟国家的政府如何照顾它的公民之后,不禁感慨,美国怎么能称自己为世界上最伟大的国家?我们的政府恨我们。几乎所有的事情都把我们都排在最后。



InsufficientFrosting
At what what age does a Finnish finish the primary studies?

芬兰人在一般在什么年龄完成初级学业?



lIlIlI1lIlIlI
Same in Canada. Left at 17 to live 6 hours away from my family to continue school.

在加拿大也一样。在17岁时离开我家到6个小时车程的地方继续上学。



Hezth
As someone else said, it used to be like that 10 years ago. That's if you passed the tests. But it would still be after you finished school at 18-20

就像其他人说的,10年前就像这样了。如果你通过了测试。但那还是等你在你18-20岁完成学业之后。



IronPeter
Yes but then Italy’s number don’t make sense: most of the people leave for university at 19 as well

是的,但意大利的数字没有意义:大多数人也是在19岁离开家去上大学的0



Hezth
Either they live at home while studying at the university, or they just live at the campus during weekdays and home to their parents during weekend and back to their parents when they are done with the university studies.

要么他们在大学学习时住在家里,要么他们只是在工作日住在校园里,周末住在父母家,当他们完成大学学业时回到父母身边。



UmamiVR
It's absolutely because of this it's under 18. We have a complete choice in our last three years of primary school. The government subsidise accommodation in this case. For example special athlete schools or corporate sponsored schools. The concept of traditional private schools doesn't really exist. On top of that, if you are more than 22 and still live with your parents, something is wrong with you. Basically "why can't you take care of yourself, you're an adult".
Those two in combination creates an average under 18

瑞典的年龄低于18岁绝对是因为以下原因。我们在初级学业的最后三年有一个完整的选择。在这种情况下,政府补贴住宿。例如特殊运动员学校或公司赞助的学校。传统私立学校的概念并不存在。 除此之外,如果你超过22岁仍然和你的父母住在一起,你就有问题了。 基本上都会以“为什么你不能照顾自己,你是个成年人”的眼光看你。
这两个组合造成的平均年龄在18岁以下。



RobotFighter
United States of America美国0
In the US you will not get welfare if you move out. Only if you have a disability or have children.

在美国,如果你搬出去,你就得不到福利。只有当你有残疾或有孩子的时候(才有福利)。



R030t1
At least for students it's also fairly easy to get the money.
I'd be careful with this one -- the US has more people with degrees per capita than some larger EU countries like Germany, implying access to education is actually worse. So generalizing things from student availability is probably not a great idea.

“至少对学生来说,拿到钱也相当容易。”
我特别关心这个问题——美国拥有的人均学位比德国等欧盟大国更多,这意味着后者接受教育的机会实际上更差。 因此,从学生的可用性中概括事情可能不是一个好主意。



upewigungedeelt
Schleswig-Holstein (Germany)石勒苏益格-荷尔斯泰因(德国)0
Getting into college is what's hard in Germany. An American high-school diploma alone for example wouldn't allow you to enter any university in Germany. You need a so called Abitur which less than half the studends attain (there are some exceptions).
Vocational learning is also a rather appealing idea in Germany since the earning potential isn't necessarily lower and you start getting paid (a little) the moment you start your education.

上大学在德国是最难的。凭一个美国高中的文凭无法让你进入德国的任何大学。你需要一个所谓的Abitur,它只有不到一半的学生达到(有一些例外)。
在德国,职业教育也是一个相当吸引人的想法,因为收入潜力不一定很低,而且你从开始接受教育的那一刻就开始能得到报酬了。



lestofante
In EU we make fun of US university to be way too easy.
Plus IIRC germany has this weird system if you did not get good grades you can't even try.

美国的大学拿到我们欧洲面前不要太好笑。
此外,如果我没记错的话德国有一个奇怪的系统,如果你没有取得好成绩,你甚至无法尝试(上大学)。



upewigungedeelt
Schleswig-Holstein (Germany)
That would be weird in Germany, at least for someone who goes to college (edit: most marry when above 30).
But no, I don't think that has anything to do with it. At least if your spouse doesn't make much money. It would of course make a difference if you married rich (or if you became rich on your own in some way). You're only entitled to these payments if you don't have any significant amount of money. I think anything above 7.5k in cash you have to use first.

这在德国会很奇怪,至少对于上大学的人来说(编辑:大多数人在30岁以上结婚)。
但不,我不认为这和资金支持有关系。至少如果你的配偶赚不到多少钱你还是会得到支持。当然,如果你嫁给了富人(或者你自己以某种方式变得富有),这会有所不同。只有当你没有任何大笔的钱可用时,你才有权得到这些资金。我认为你有任何高于7500的现金,应该就不要支援了。



Ericovich
that we can read about here on reddit, on the subreddits where americans post.
Yeah, I read that the average age Americans move out is 19, which is accurate for me. Hell, I bought my home at 25.
But my parents never kicked me out, or made me pay rent. It was definitely a choice to be on my own.

“我们可以在美国人发在Reddit这个板块里的帖子读到的那些”
是的,我听说美国人独立的平均年龄是19岁,这对我来说是准确的。我25岁就买了房子。
但我父母从没把我赶出去,也没让我付房租。完全是我个人的选择。



ASuarezMascareno
United States of America美国
Ericovich
It really depends on your expectations, which I think have changed between generations.
Do you want to live in an urban area or suburban? Are you OK with an older home or do you want newer?
I made the choice to buy a smaller, older, starter home, in a lower-income area in the city. But a lot of my peers only wanted a $200k+ newer house in the suburbs.

这主要取决于你的期望,我认为对房子的想法这在几代人之间发生了变化。
你想住在市区还是郊区?你觉得旧房子还OK?还是你就想要新的?
我选择在城市的一个低收入地区买一个更小、更老的起步房。但我的很多同龄人只想在郊区买一栋20万美元的新房子。



Eckes24
200k gets you a garage in the suburbs where I live. I think housing prices are kinda low where you live.

20万美元在我住的郊区只能弄个车库。我认为你住的地方房价有点低。



ForThe5thTime
North Macedonia北马其顿
Btw, the idea of a "starter home" is also only something I've heard from Americans. Love the enthusiam.

顺便说一句,“起步房”的说法也我只从美国人那里听到的。喜欢你们这种对于独立的热情。



msantoro
Australia澳大利亚
croana
Mmhm I basically moved out in the US at 16, junior year of high school. Granted, I was an exchange student in Germany that year, but when I came home all my belongings were boxed up and it was clear my parents expected me to either move out or pay rent. My mom emigrated to the US from the NL and has since moved back, so I don't know why the fuck she thought it was acceptable to tell her kids "at 18 you are out of this house", but there you go.

嗯,我高中16岁就搬去美国了。当然,那年我也是德国的交换生,但当我回家时,我所有的东西都被装箱了,很明显,我的父母希望我要么搬出去,要么付房租。我妈妈从尼德兰移民到美国,后来又搬回来了,所以我不知道为什么她他妈的认为告诉她的孩子“18岁你就得离开这所房子”是可以接受的,但没办法。



Ericovich
There also might be differing experiences based on generation and the economy at the time.
When I moved out in the early 2000s, it was a lot easier, and things were cheap. The crash in 2008 was rough on a lot of people, but the bottoming-out of the housing market meant me and most of my siblings could afford to buy homes.
It is extremely unlikely someone in their mid-20s could do that now.

根据他们当时的世代和经济,他们可能有不同的经验。
当我在2000年初搬出去的时候,事情容易得多,而且很便宜。2008年的经济危机对很多人来说都很艰难,但是住房市场的触底意味着我和我的大多数兄弟姐妹都能买得起房子。
但是现在20多岁的人不太可能能这么做了。



robitnebudem
United States of America美国0
There was a post that said 52% of Americans under the age of 29 live with their parents tho.

不过这里有一篇文章说,52%的29岁以下的美国人和他们的父母住在一起。



HottieShreky
yeahh im from america, and my mother says once i turn 18 shes gonna kick me out. I asked what if i dont have money, she just said then ill live on the streets

是的,我来自美国,我妈妈说一旦我18岁,她就会把我踢出去。我问如果我没有钱呢,她只是说,那你就露宿街头。



Candidsyrup
Big country, small population. Many people have to move away from their parents when they're 16 to continue their studies.

大国,人口少。许多人在16岁时不得不离开父母以继续学业。



[dexed]
Thats the thing, that would not even be legal to do in Sweden. But we just chose to move out early

在瑞典这样做甚至是不合法的。但我们只是选择提前搬出去。



AaMegamisama
We don't have the kick out culture here like in the US, it's just that we're a very free people and really like our own space, so most move out ASAP. It's possible here since a "minimum wage" job is definitely enough to support yourself with 100% solo. Apartment, food, everything. The hard part is actually finding an apartment, the rest is relatively easy.
Paying rent to parents is very common though, I had to do it myself even though my dad makes a very comfortable living. Nothing major, more symbolic ($400/month), but still.

我们这里没有像美国那样“踢出家门”的文化,只是我们是非常自由的人,真的很喜欢有我们自己的空间,所以大多数人都选择尽快搬出去。这在这里是可能的,因为这里的“最低工资”的工作绝对足以支持自己100%的个人支出。包括公寓租金,食物等。难的部分其实是找公寓,剩下的比较容易。虽然付房租给父母是很常见的,但更想自己住,尽管我父亲把一切打理的很好一起生活也会很舒适。租金不是大问题,只是象征性的(400美元一个月),所以。



Matrozi
Mangeur de baguette
Seriously yes. I think the "when my kid is 18 he is on his own" mentality makes you a real piece of shit of a parent.
Hell, I don't have a great relationship with my parents, I left home at 17 for college but they never kicked me out, they always told me that I'm welcome home whenever I want. My sister still live there for now at 22 making money on the side to rent an appartment.
I can get behind making them pay a small part of the rent if you're struggling financially or to teach them responsability IF they don't go to University but have a full time job.
But when I see on reddit post like "I'm a 19 years old US college student full time, working full time, I pay 600 dollars a month to my parents for rent but I'm running out of money, what financial help would be available for me ?" it makes me mad, this is not teaching your kids responsability, it's fucking them up and setting them for failure.

确实是真的。我认为“当我的孩子18岁的时候,他就是自己的”的心态让你成为一个真正的狗屎父母。见鬼,我和我的父母关系不好,我17岁离开家去上大学,但他们从来没有把我赶出去,他们总是告诉我,只要我想回家,我就会被欢迎回家。我妹妹现在还住在那里,22岁,在一边赚钱租公寓。
如果我的孩子经济拮据,我会为他们付一部分房租,或者如果他们不上大学但已经有一份全职工作,那么我会教他们责任。
但是当我在reddit的帖子上看到“我是一个19岁的有全职工作的美国大学生,我每个月付600美元给我的父母作为房租,但我的钱快用完了,有适合我的财政援助吗?”这让我很生气,这不是在教你的孩子承担责任,而是在搞砸他们,让他们失败。



HumansKillEverything
Seriously yes. I think the “when my kid is 18 he is on his own” mentality makes you a real piece of shit of a parent.
It’s a very American thing. American Culture is fucked up.

这是非常美国的事情,美国文化被搞砸了



StReefz
Estonia
Capitalism at its fines. Nothing more to say.

资本主义的手段。没什么好说的。



Matrozi
Mangeur de baguette
When I say on his own, I don't mean encouraging them to move out or to take responsability towards adulthood.
I mean telling your kid, at 17, a few weeks before turning 18 : "The day you turn 18, you better have a place to stay for the night because you're getting out of my house, I don't care if you have no jobs, just graduated high school and are saving for university, you're 18. Get out".
This is not being a parent. This is not teaching responsabilities. This is treating your kid as a financial liability and the fact that you want to get rid of them the day it becomes legal to do it speaks volume on your quality as a parent.
Making them cook their own food, making them do their own laundry, asking them to help around the house, encouraging them to move out, take a job if they're not studying : THAT's being a parent. Not even a good parent, that's the basis of what every parent should do.
The fact that it is so foreign to some parents around the world seriously concerns me.

当我说靠他自己时,我并不是说不鼓励他们搬出去或承担责任走向成年。
我的意思是有些人在孩子17岁,在成为18岁之前的几个星期告诉孩子:“当你18岁的那天,你最好有一个过夜的地方,因为你要离开我的房子,我不在乎你是否没有工作,是不是只是高中毕业,正在为大学存钱,也不管你才18岁。 反正,出去”。

这不能称之为父母。这也不是责任教学。这是把你的孩子作为一种经济责任,事实上,你想摆脱他们,当它成为合法的一天,你便迫不及待地这么做。这说明了你作为父母的质量。

让他们自己做饭,让他们自己洗衣服,让他们在家里帮忙,鼓励他们搬出去,如果他们不学习,就找份工作:这才是父母。甚至算不上是一个好的父母,这只是每个父母应该做的基础。
这对世界各地的一些父母来说竟是如此的陌生,这一事实令我感到很担心。

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